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The robots are coming! Both are fantastic apps, and work well although pairing with Zwift is easier on the companion app than my Mac.
I agree that Sufferfest is always hard, and have to psyche myself up before a workout, so Zwift is good to just ride on. Cheers and stay safe. Hi — Has anyone outside China managed to pay for the subscription to One-Lap? I would like to give it a go I am in the UK. But if you were using a setup like mine, with a wheel-on tacx vortex and vector 3 pedals, would you still disable it? Where I think it makes sense is on very inaccurate trainers. Nice write-up. I still flick between Zwift and TrainerRoad depending on mood, having tried most of them.
Just for info, Kinomap is very unhappy about connecting to Tacx trainers using Bluetooth. So FTMS support is kinda funny these days.
Tacx has had the equiv for their trainers, inclusive of the NEO, for years too. And every app I know of has adopted it. No beta firmware for me there. Are any of the new apps able to provide this same functionality i. Most underappreciated feature of Zwift is the seamless integration with TrainingPeaks. My coach puts a structured workout into TP, and it shows up that day for me to do in Zwift without me doing a thing. You mention TP integration with Rouvy.
I assume that works the same way, but the integration in Zwift is pretty much the single biggest reason that I continue to use it as opposed to TR which seems, in part, to want to be a competitor to TrainingPeaks. Great — and timely — review, much appreciated. Uniquely, you can add strength straining, yoga and mental toughness some at various levels to your training plan.
This feature allows tremendous variety among the rides since many can be adapted to a specific prescription. Awesome review. I too mainly use TR for last 4 years. Tried sufferfest but novality wore off on me. Think seasoned athletes like just plans and target.
Follow the numbers. I just watch Netflix or YouTube on trainer. Thanks again Andrew. Great reviews and very timely! As always, very detailed information on each app. But because I prefer riding outside, the simulators and virtual apps held little interest for me. Obviously that has changed. I can imagine that it is very difficult to cover every aspect of a particular app adequately.
And that 4DP test can seem really daunting. I have viewed it like taking a final exam, with my results forever shaping my destiny. Additionally, I treated as workout of immeasurable agony. Of course, it is neither of those. It has only 27 minutes of intense intervals. Treating it as just another workout has solved the dread of riding it. As a fellow numbers geek, my last Full Frontal test had an IF of. I used rouvy, liked some of the rides.
A bit of a pain. Next I guess is kinomap. Question to anyone. If you are just the normal recreational rider, no coach, no plan, just want to ride beautiful scenic rides that does well simulating those rides on my trainer, which is the best platform for that? Kinomap rouvy? Be sure to take full advantage of the search function!
In addition to the map search, you can also find routes by filtering through classifications such as the average grade, distance, or total ascent. That search is easily accessible through the website. Hi Ray — awesome review, as always. Great to hear you have a Peloton bike — I look forward to the review. One datapoint for your review — with the current CV situation, Peloton usage has boomed and nearly everybody is getting bad buffering problems.
The Peloton IOS app has a class preload feature for times when you may have no internet access. That feature is not available on the bike — but it needs to be. It would be a quick and easy fix to this annoying problem which is making the bike app almost unusable. The FB page is absolutely lit up with complaints. Regarding Tacx App…. Yeah, lots of options once you get the file. The way the.
Same goes for any time bias, definitely on the app itself. I get my Peloton data into TP via Strava and Tapiriik — it kinda works sync is usually immediate but sometimes takes hours! But if you know a better way, please share! You can look at the ZwiftPower history and there have been events in the last 7 days. So just over per day. Started writing this about two weeks ago. Will update. Amazing write up as always.
If I have them all set to share with each other I get duplicate rides in both Garmin and Strava. Yeah, I know, stupid. Any ideas? Thanks Ray. Always enjoy your insight. I have been on the fence regarding TrainerRoad for a while now. Just tried Fulgaz today. I like it! Bkool is really frustrating — so much functionality hidden behind a complex and confusing interface — well, interfaces.
Do you have any thoughts on which of these would be best without any internet connection for multiple week periods? Whereas most other video apps have no real dependencies on sync, except for getting a completed workout to 3rd party apps like Strava.
So FulGaz, Kinomap, Rouvy, etc… all support pre-caching the videos. Hi Ross — Our app needs access to the internet for a few functions like training plans and to download videos. Because its unreadable by the vast majority of Westerners?? I searched for 20 minutes and could not find any translation. After installing a fresh Windows 10 and updating to the latest patch, I find that Fulgaz crashes ignominiously moments after starting. I did half of one ride, stopped after an hour.
Went back to finish it another day, which it gave me option to do — except it recorded total miles for the second session as if I started from the beginning 34 miles instead of 18 miles. Did another ride today Cap Formentor — after the initial climb, during the descent the power reading was stuck at W. Had to quit it and restart the ride — doing that climb all over again — but then this time the app would no longer display total feet climbed nor the average power output. It did let me finish the ride — but then when I tried to end it the app blinked out — have no idea whether it will save the ride and send me the.
FIT file for records. With Rouvy, try riding some of the AR routes to feel more realistic incline ramps. These are usually more procured and with the latest smoothness update, you should notice an improvement in the ride quality! We also recommend downloading the route to give the best possible experience. Is VeloReality a smaller app that you might include in a follow-up?
Seems like the software engine of that one may be falling behind the times? We are the only one offering not just selecting starting ride point but you can create your own rides from arbitrary slices of videos from our huge library. In the end the software is free along with free demo videos and free p subscription. Seems like a pretty reasonable candidate. And quality of our videos is generally outstanding. Here are couple of quotes quote from Ray himself:. And bigger is better, right?
By comparison, it makes everything else look like grainy cell phone videos from I knew that statement would get you out of the woodwork and into the conversation! I have tried several of the above platforms, but in truth not all of them.
I found my way to The Sufferfest and have never looked elsewhere. I find the workouts are so well designed to train specifically a certain area of your cycling fitness, but when combined in a training plan in their prescribed order the results are simply staggering.
I am not really bothered by the undulating rolling roads of France, Switzerland or a made up computer generated map for example. The videos are humorous, as well as deadly serious on times that can distract you from the pain you can be feeling. The workouts and plans are based on a more substantial set of metrics than basic FTP, and this makes each workout everytime unique to me and me alone. The end result is in 12 weeks time, I get to do a new FF Test, the most worthwhile hour you can spend on a bike if you want to get results.
If you want interaction, and virtual worlds this will not suit you, but if you want to get fitter and faster with structured training indoors not aimless riding then The Sufferfest will take some beating. A big part missing from these reviews is the community, I use social media like almost most people today and the sense of commaraderie and community is greater there than any other platform.
Thanks for those comments, Leighton! Indeed, the Sufferlandrian community is one of the most relentlessly positive, fun and supportive groups anywhere. For anyone keen to see it, you can see the fun here: link to facebook.
Kinomap is actually free to use with limited maps, but it also has rowing which is pretty cool that non other apps have. Ray, using a smart trainer with the Peloton app, how would you follow resistance instructions from the leader? No knob! My best guess is to run a Garmin head unit and use it to change resistance as needed on the fly, or set it to a moderate level and rely on gears. Amazing compilation!
Thanks for taking all the time to put this comparison together. It has confirmed that I am and should be a happy Sufferlandrian. It is awesome that there are so many good apps out. Reading the comments, all of them of have big fans. Each one seems to appeal to a slightly different user that is looking for an experience that meets there needs.
Or they use multiple apps. I have only used Zwift but will be checking out others. I think that I really fancy the peleton app. The music aspect is what appeals to me as good music during a workout really helps. Is there any chance they will add this at any point? Looks like DC himself also recently bought a Peloton — looking forward to his review next month. OK, I have gone for the Peleton trial and have tried it on my Android device. Can anyone clarify of this is actually available on the Peleton Android app?
Yeah, it seems that you can only connect sensors to the IOS app. Might want to mention that in the review Ray? Let me do some poking. Any thoughts on BigRingVR? Stumbled upon it and seems fun to actually mimic cycling in real life at this time.. Yup, gonna add it for my list of smaller apps. Aiming to start that this week, and hope to have it out next week.
I can recommend BigRingVR, very good videos, all Data i need during ride and it can use videos from others vendors. Makes more fun as hyped Zwift. Zwift is boring…. Having just discovered BigRingVR can wholly recommend! Worked flawlessly with my ancient ant dongle and the elite suito!
And love the rides available. Ok the GUI is a bit dated, but all the functionality is there. FulGaz I like for the best quality videos of real rides. I always download the videos in advance so I avoid streaming speed issues. Thanks for the mention of The Velo Set! Alpha test to Android devices is being rolled out this week.
I can only confirm, Veloreality is great. As a long-time user, I am currently testing the p streaming offer: excellent for extending the already huge range of courses available and it works absolutely flawlessly. Great article. Now, all this time Ive been using the power output from the powertab C1 instead of the trainer. Would you say that the right way to use TranerRoad? I am asking because you mention:. Looking for some input into this. STAC Halcyon auto calibrates at the start of each ride.
I have a Stages Gen3 Left Only for outdoor rides. Notice any significant difference in the feel or chart stats? I have my garmin only to receive from the C1 and the phone to receive from both the C1 and the trainer. I will remove the pm from the phone and do a ride with just the trainer connected to the phone and the pm connected to the garmin. That should give me a good idea if there is major issues with using just the trainer.
More and more it seems the ecosystem as a whole is driving the experience as much as a single app. DCR — I think you should use your giveaway lottery posts as an opportunity to ask a survey question. Something simple such as a single question with canned answers to pick from.
Then post the results at conclusion of the drawing. Seems like you have a decent sampling to work with thousands of entries. Or ask something completely silly. I got the perfpro and has no regret. Only one time payment and very good value. The only downside is it is PC only and has no android or iOS version so I have to use my laptop for it instead of tablet. Perhaps a little off topic. Ray, how much pressure do you put in your front wheel while on the trainer.
Any advise? Hello Thank you very much for this comparison that allows, in these times of confinement, to explore something other than Zwift! Otherwise, I find that Tacx videos are not as good as those of FulGaz: on Tacx it is often filmed from a car, which gives a less good rendering due to slow motion than the one taken from a bike as it is often the case on FulGaz!
This is more realistic! As a bit of Trivia. Only within the app and only from the menu in the app. At no place on any informational webpage does Tacx actually list the fact that there are multiple tiers or the pricing. Tacx is filmed with Bertha.. Look at the actual leaning into the corner. Garmin recompresses them to shit. But the film quality is by far the best.
This is more about cycling history but I like history; link to darrencope. Hi Ray, great write-up as always. I am using Trainerroad for two years and it does the trick for me. Everybody is different though.
Anyway I thought it would be good if you could mention the new Group Workout feature in your review. I know it has just been launched, but it might appeal to some who want to have a social aspect in their deliberate cycling training.
A friend of mine is the developer of CycleGo. It has voice guidance and other cool features, and can even be used without a trainer. Their XATA Xert Adaptive Training Advisor suggests daily workouts based on your ever evolving fitness profile — ride to ride, day to day, week to week and month to month. In other words Xert flexes when you do. You define current rider type workout focus , hours available to train weekly improvement rate , goal date phased progression , and freshness feedback how you feel before workouts.
You can change settings at any time as as you see fit :. For example, work on your strengths climber then switch to work on a weaknesses time trial. I prefer solo workouts with occasional group rides on weekends versus the cacophony of Zwift, but as noted in the review Zwifters can export Xert workouts to ZWO and ride with the Xert Player Remote overlay. If you are interested in trying Xert I recommend that you: 1 Drop all preconceptions, rules, zones, tables, weekly plan logic, etc. Decay is inevitable over time and is built into their model.
You need weeks of power data before things start to gel. The trial is 30 days with most features enabled, but I signed up and spent four months all phases before I was convinced.
So are most recovery intervals and many workouts taper off as you fatigue. IME cookie-cutter plans common to other platforms lead to burn out and plateaus. Less SST, more polarized works for me.
Your screen shot also shows the Training Pacer needle maxed out plus a red triangle. That means rest day or recovery ride only. Maybe you should mention that Bkool was used as the platform for the first ever danish indoor cycling championship at Marts 7th won by Jacob Skovsgaard, after a qualifying tournament held by bkoolligaen.
Races Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturdays with up to riders. How many hours in the day do you think DC has? A damn good one at that. Hi Ray. I have just started using the Peloton app with my own smart trainer. Do you know of any apps that would make it easy to change the resistance on my trainer? FYI: my network hardware and internet connections are super, super fast. I was using zwift on my phone and cast to my TV. It did work but there was occasional lag and pixellation on the TV.
This was in my garage with my wifi hotspot the other side of an external wall. I now plug my laptop directly into the TV and get a much crisper picture with much better rendering on the environment as well.
BTW — this issue was nothing to do with internet connection speed. I have older Samsung smart tv that does not have airplay abilities and older MacBook pro There are a couple caveats.
Also I still need to interact with the trainer app on the source device, meaning it has to be in reach to the my bike setup. Setup Chromecast on your TV, install software on MacBook, and started software Mirroring no complicated software setup.
Done, easy setup. With Android you get screen casting for free and built into the OS. With Chrome on windows you can also cast either the browser or your whole desktop for free I used this for Zwfit. Sorry but I will never, ever own windows machine personal preference. MacOS and sharing is limited with Chromecast. It shares the chrome web browser but not the mac desktop. Sharing can also be achieved, IF the trainer apps have chromecast sharing built in.
Mirroring shares your mac desktop to Chromecast. They want you to use Airplay with their apple TV. There are other streaming devices like Roku, fire tv stick that support airplay but I have chromecast. Newer TVs have airplay support, but I have an older one. Android, I love it. But I mainly use Sufferfest, which does not support android yet. I want to watch my favorite series on Prime or Netflix, while riding a structured workout as a part of a training plan.
What would be good solutions for me? Hello Ray, thanks for the write-up! Also I notice that some say that a hill in one app feels different than in the other. Then a last one: it looks like most sync to Strava, is there any differences on how these show up in Strava?
I use Veloviewer, which supports Zwift virtual routes, but I was wondering how my map may look like with any of the other options. Straight forward GUI and seamless operation. But this days of isolation made me look after outdoor rides apps. Terrible experience. Is it only me? Apparently it will estimate XSS and focus for workouts that lack power but include HR and preferably cadence.
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